In his first major interview since securing another term in the White House, President-elect Donald Trump reiterated concerns with the disproven link between childhood vaccines and autism, a nod to the movement that’s foundational to some of his health policy team.
When asked by Kristen Welker of NBC News whether he wanted to see childhood vaccines eliminated, Trump said, “if they’re dangerous for the children.” The interview, which
aired Sunday
, signaled Trump’s willingness to debate the health benefits of childhood vaccination.
Trump brought up the rising rates of autism as a potential rationale for investigating childhood vaccines, saying, “If you go back 25 years ago, you had very little autism.”
“I mean, something is going on. I don’t know if it’s vaccines,” he said. “Maybe it’s chlorine in the water, right? You know, people are looking at a lot of different things.” (Trump may have been referring to fluoride.)
Rising rates of autism diagnosis have been a foundational theory for anti-vaccine activists, particularly Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who’s become a global crusader on the front and is Trump’s pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services. Trump also picked Dave Weldon as his CDC director, a former congressman and practicing physician who has been sympathetic to people concerned with claimed links to autism.
Repeated studies have disproved theories that a mercury-based preservative found in vaccines, thimerosal, causes autism. Thimerosal is increasingly not in use anymore, due to reformulations and updates to vaccines,
according to the FDA
.
Trump stopped short of widely casting doubt on all vaccines and said he was “not against vaccines.” He specifically touted the polio vaccine as the “greatest thing,” for example.
“I think vaccines are — certain vaccines — are incredible. But maybe some aren’t. And if they aren’t, we have to find out,” he said.
But the comments open the door to shifting US vaccine policy, which relies in part on vaccinating large percentages of people to create widespread immunity that stops the spread of infectious diseases. Experts have warned that decreasing rates of childhood vaccination could prompt the rise of diseases that have largely been eliminated, like measles.
Trump also used the NBC interview to confirm reports that he met with top pharma executives at Mar-a-Lago last week, along with Mehmet Oz, Kennedy and others.
Axios
first reported that Trump dined with the CEOs of Eli Lilly, Pfizer and the lobbying group PhRMA on Wednesday evening. A spokesperson for Lilly declined to comment and Pfizer didn’t respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson for PhRMA confirmed CEO Stephen Ubl’s attendance, but declined to provide further details.
Trump said that a focus of the meeting was drug middlemen, a reference to pharmacy benefit managers who have increasingly drawn bipartisan ire. Reforms for the PBM industry are being considered in Congress’ continuing resolution, a mechanism for funding the government.
“Number one, we’re going to reduce prices because the middleman makes more money than the drug companies, in all fairness to the drug companies,” Trump said. Rep. James Comer (R-KY), who led an investigation into the companies, followed Trump by
tweeting that
it was “time for reform.”
The dinner conversation also included vaccines and pesticides, Trump said. He added that Kennedy is “not going to upset any system” and he’s “not looking to reinvent the wheel totally.”
“The drug companies are going to be working with RFK Jr. and, you know, he’s been an interesting guy to me,” he said of Kennedy.